NameEarl Malise de STRATHEARN 7th Of Strathearn , M
Birth Dateabt 1277
Birth PlaceStrathearn, Perthshire, Scotland
Death Dateabt 1328
Death PlaceStrathearn, Perthshire, Scotland
Spouses
Death Dateabt 1310
Death PlaceStrathearn, Perthshire, Scotland
ChildrenMalise , M (~1301-<1358)
 Mary / Maria , F (~1305-)
Birth Dateabt 1308
Birth PlaceDumbarton Castle, Dumbartonshire, Scotland
Death Dateaft Mar 1367
MotherLady Menteith , F
Marr Dateabt 1323
No Children
Notes for Earl Malise de STRATHEARN 7th Of Strathearn
The only wife assigned to the Earl in any record is a lady named Agnes, the statement that he married a Marjory [Comyn] being founded on a misreading. Wyntoun stated that Malise, Earl of Strathearn, married the second daughter of Alexander Comyn, Earl of Buchan, sister of John, Earl of Buchan, ...

They had issue:


1. Malise, who succeeded as seventh Earl.

2. Gilbert, who as son of the Earl of Strathearn, is first named in a Wardrobe accoung of the English King’s ...
3. Robert, named with his brother Gilbert as sons of the Earl of Strathearn, on 18 July 1296 ...
4. Matilda, married (contract dated 26 April 1293) to Robert de Toeni ...

Source: THE SCOTS PEERAGE, ed. by Sir James Balfour Paul, Vol VIII, Edinburgh, 1906, pp. 247-50.
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Malise, seventh Earl of Strathearn, is first named on record in January 1306-7, when he was with his mother at Carlisle, and they jointly petitioned for an inquiry as to his father’s doings.


In November 1309 and January 1309-10, he is noted as receiving gifts of wine and money from King Edward II. Barbour states that he and his father were both present at the siege of Perth, the father on the English side, and the son in Bruce’s army. ... Barbour states that when Perth was taken, Malise went to his father, the Earl and took him by force, whereupon Bruce ‘gave him his in governyng.

Little more is known of him, as his name scarcely ever occurs on record, but on 5 December 1318 he was witness to a charter of restitution of teinds, etc., to Henry, Bishop of Aberdeen, and he was one of the Scottish Earls who addressed the letter to the Pope on 6 April 1320.

He may have been the Malise, Earl of Strathearn, who is witness to a charter by King Robert I to Sir William Oliphant, dated 20 march 1325-26, and he may have been still alive in or about 1328, but he was

dead before 1329, when his son succeed to part of the old earldom of Caithness.

The Earl was married at least twice, but the name of his first wife has not been ascertained.

Earl Malise had issue by his first wife:

1. Malise, eighth Earl.
2. Mary or Maria, married (1319-22) to John Moray of Drumsargard. She and her husband received from her father a charter of the lands of Abercairney. This grant with others was confirmed to them by her brother, Earl Malise about 1330.

He married, probably as his second wife, Jean or Joanna Menteith, daughter of Sir John Menteith of Rusky. The Earl conferred upon her the lands of Cortachy, co Forfar, a grant confirmed by king Robert Bruce about 1323 or a little later, which may indicate the date of the marriage.

They had no recorded issue.

Countess Joanna survived her husband and married, successively, John Campbell, Earl of Atholl, who was killed at Halidon Hill; Maurice Murray, created in 1344 Earl of Strathearn; and lastly, before November 1347, William, fifth Earl of Sutherland. Owing to certain difficulties as to dates, and a peculiar habit which Countess Joanna has of referring in writs granted by her in her ‘viduity’ when she was certainly married, it has been suggested that there were two Joannas, Countesses of Strathearn, but the evidence of the various dispensationf for her marriages shows clearly that they all refer to one and the same person.

Source: THE SCOTS PEERAGE, ed. by Sir James Balfour Paul, Vol VIII, Edinburgh, 1906, pp. 251-2.
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Notes for UNNAMED (Spouse 1)
The Earl was married at least twice, but the name of his first wife has not been ascertained.

Earl Malise had issue by his first wife:

1. Malise, eighth Earl.
2. Mary or Maria, married (1319-22) to John Moray of Drumsargard. She and her husband received from her father a charter of the lands of Abercairney. This grant with others was confirmed to them by her brother, Earl Malise about 1330.

He married, probably as his second wife, Jean or Joanna Menteith, daughter of Sir John Menteith of Rusky. The Earl conferred upon her the lands of Cortachy, co Forfar, a grant confirmed by king Robert Bruce about 1323 or a little later, which may indicate the date of the marriage.

They had no recorded issue.

Source: THE SCOTS PEERAGE, ed. by Sir James Balfour Paul, Vol VIII, Edinburgh, 1906, pp. 251-2.
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Notes for Joanna (Spouse 2)
Joanna, the only one of Sir John’s alleged three daughters who can be traced with certainty, was married:

first, to Malise, seventh Earl of Strathearn, who died about 1324-25;
secondly, to John Campbell, Earl of Atholl;
thirdly, about July 1339, to Sir Maurice of Moray, created Earl of Strathearn in June 1344, by whom she had a daughter, Joanna;
fourthly, William, fifth of Sutherland.

Source: THE SCOTS PEERAGE, ed. by Sir James Balfour Paul, Vol VI, Edinburgh, 1906, pp. 132-3.
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He [Campbell] was married to Joan, former wife of Malise IV, Earl of Strathearn and daughter of Sir John de Menteith. Her paternal grandparents were Walter Bailloch and Mary I, Countess of Menteith. They had no children, so when he was killed at Halidon Hill on 19 July 1333 (one of five Scottish earls to die in the battle), his earldom became extinct.

His widow later married Maurice de Moravia, Earl of Strathearn and then William de Moravia, 5th Earl of Sutherland

Source: Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell,_Earl_of_Atholl
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He [Maurice] is known to have married Joanna, Countess of Strathearn, as she is so designed in the Papal dispensation for their marriage on 10 July 1339.
She could be no other than Joanna Menteith, who was the widow of Earl Malise, the seventh of Strathearn. The dispensation also refers to her former husband, John Campbell, Earl of Atholl, ignoring Earl Malise altogether, which seems to imply that he was not closely connected with Maurice, who would, if received pedigrees were correct, have been his grandson. Countess Joanna survived her third husband, and was married, before November 1347, to William, fifth Earl of Sutherland.

Earl Maurice and Countess Joanna had issue, so far as known, one daughter,

Joanna, who in a charter by her, granted in 1361-62, calls herself Lady of Drumsergard.

Source: THE SCOTS PEERAGE, ed. by Sir James Balfour Paul, Vol VIII, Edinburgh, 1906, p. 255-8
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The Earl [of Sutherland] married secondly, Joanna Menteith, widow successively of Malise, seventh Earl of Strathearn, John Campbell, Earl of Atholl, and Maurice Moray, Earl of Strathearn.

The Earl and his second wife had a dispensation, of date 9 November 1347, on the following grounds. They petitioned that Joanna had been married to John, Earl of Atholl, and Maurice Moray. That after the death of the Latter, Earl William and she, ignorant that any impediment existed between them which should hinder their marriage, contracted matrimony per verba de presenti; but they afterwards learned that they were related doubly in the fourth degree of affinity, because William, John, and Maurice were related in the fourth degree of consanguinity, in consequence of which William and Joanna could not, without a dispensation, remain in marriage. They therefore petitioned accordingly.

This shows that they had been married for some time before November 1347, so that the Princess Margaret had died not long after 30 March 1346.

Countess Joanna in writs granted by herself always styles herself as of Strathearns and a widow, but in writs by others, especially safe-conducts to England, she is styled Countess of Sutherland, the latest of these being dated in March 1366-67. It is not known when she died.

By his second wife, the Earl had:

2. Robert, who became Earl of Sutherland
3. Kenneth, who received in 1401, a charter from his brother, Earl robert, of the land of Drummoy, Backies and others, confirmed by the Duke of Albany, Regent, in 1408. Lord Hailes also quotes from the Forse charters a writ to Kenneth Sutherland, son of the late William Earl of Sutherland. He was ancestor of the family of Sutherland of Forse, ...

Source: THE SCOTS PEERAGE, ed. by Sir James Balfour Paul, Vol VIII , Edinburgh, 1906, pp. 325-9.
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Notes for Joanna (Spouse 2)
Joanna, the only one of Sir John’s alleged three daughters who can be traced with certainty, was married:

first, to Malise, seventh Earl of Strathearn, who died about 1324-25;
secondly, to John Campbell, Earl of Atholl;
thirdly, about July 1339, to Sir Maurice of Moray, created Earl of Strathearn in June 1344, by whom she had a daughter, Joanna;
fourthly, William, fifth of Sutherland.

Source: THE SCOTS PEERAGE, ed. by Sir James Balfour Paul, Vol VI, Edinburgh, 1906, pp. 132-3.
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He [Campbell] was married to Joan, former wife of Malise IV, Earl of Strathearn and daughter of Sir John de Menteith. Her paternal grandparents were Walter Bailloch and Mary I, Countess of Menteith.

They had no children,
so when he was killed at Halidon Hill on 19 July 1333 (one of five Scottish earls to die in the battle), his earldom became extinct.

His widow later married Maurice de Moravia, Earl of Strathearn and then William de Moravia, 5th Earl of Sutherland

Source: Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell,_Earl_of_Atholl
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He [Maurice] is known to have married Joanna, Countess of Strathearn, as she is so designed in the Papal dispensation for their marriage on 10 July 1339.
She could be no other than Joanna Menteith, who was the widow of Earl Malise, the seventh of Strathearn. The dispensation also refers to her former husband, John Campbell, Earl of Atholl, ignoring Earl Malise altogether, which seems to imply that he was not closely connected with Maurice, who would, if received pedigrees were correct, have been his grandson. Countess Joanna survived her third husband, and was married, before November 1347, to William, fifth Earl of Sutherland.

Earl Maurice and Countess Joanna had issue, so far as known, one daughter,

Joanna, who in a charter by her, granted in 1361-62, calls herself Lady of Drumsergard.

Source: THE SCOTS PEERAGE, ed. by Sir James Balfour Paul, Vol VIII, Edinburgh, 1906, p. 255-8
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The Earl [of Sutherland] married secondly, Joanna Menteith, widow successively of Malise, seventh Earl of Strathearn, John Campbell, Earl of Atholl, and Maurice Moray, Earl of Strathearn.

The Earl and his second wife had a dispensation, of date 9 November 1347, on the following grounds. They petitioned that Joanna had been married to John, Earl of Atholl, and Maurice Moray. That after the death of the Latter, Earl William and she, ignorant that any impediment existed between them which should hinder their marriage, contracted matrimony per verba de presenti; but they afterwards learned that they were related doubly in the fourth degree of affinity, because William, John, and Maurice were related in the fourth degree of consanguinity, in consequence of which William and Joanna could not, without a dispensation, remain in marriage. They therefore petitioned accordingly.

This shows that they had been married for some time before November 1347, so that the Princess Margaret had died not long after 30 March 1346.

Countess Joanna in writs granted by herself always styles herself as of Strathearns and a widow, but in writs by others, especially safe-conducts to England, she is styled Countess of Sutherland, the latest of these being dated in March 1366-67. It is not known when she died.

By his second wife, the Earl had:

2. Robert, who became Earl of Sutherland
3. Kenneth, who received in 1401, a charter from his brother, Earl robert, of the land of Drummoy, Backies and others, confirmed by the Duke of Albany, Regent, in 1408. Lord Hailes also quotes from the Forse charters a writ to Kenneth Sutherland, son of the late William Earl of Sutherland. He was ancestor of the family of Sutherland of Forse, ...

Source: THE SCOTS PEERAGE, ed. by Sir James Balfour Paul, Vol VIII , Edinburgh, 1906, pp. 325-9.
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