NameSir Knight Christin / Christian de FORBES , M
Birth Dateabt 1304
Birth PlaceIreland
Death Date11 Aug 1332
Death PlaceDupplin Moor, Scone, Perthshire, Scotland
Death MemoKilled at the Battle of Dupplin Moor
MotherLady De Forbes , F
Marr Dateabt 1331
ChildrenJohn , M (~1332-<1387)
Notes for Sir Knight Christin / Christian de FORBES
Sir Christian or Christin de Forbes, knight, is named in a grant to him, by King Robert Bruce of a third part of the lands of Ardache, and a third of the lands of Skeith, in the barony of Deskfor, co. Banff. The original writ is dated at Scone 27 March, in the twentieth year of reign, 1325, and contains the only known reference to Sir Christian Forbes.

But while this is so, there are among the missing charters of King Robert I two of about the same date as the writ cited, the first granting a third of Deskford, and the second granting a third of Ardach and a third of Skeith, both being directed to Sir Christin del Ard, Knight. A receint write assumed that the two Sir Christians were one and the same. Unfortunately, only a note of this charter exists, and at present the evidence is incomplete, as the barony of Deskford was clearly divided into three parts of which Sir Christian del Ard may have held one part, while Sir Christian Forbes had another third. But could del Ard be proved identical with Sir Christian Forbes, it would go far to solve a puzzle as to the origin of the family of Forbes.

So remarkable is the coincidence, not only between the charters, but also between the traditional history of the Forbeses, and the actual history of the ded Ards at this period, that the latter may be briefly traced. Stripped of fictitious details, the family tradition, which does not claim an ancestry older than the days of Bruce, asserts that their progenitor held Urquhart Castle for King Robert, and was slain with his garrison by the troops of King Edward of England. Whether this be so or not, on 25 july 1297 a writer who is believed to be William Fitzwarine, then the Constable of Urquhart Castle, wrote to King Edward I, stating that a certain noble John del Ard to whom he was indebted for his personal safety and the lives of his children, had a son a prisoner at Corfe Castle named Cristin, who was made prisoner in the retinue of the Earl of Ross. The writer begs that this son may be sent to his assistance at Urcharde, as his appearance there will have the effect of winning the country to his side, and gaining for the King favour with the inhabitants. The request was not granted, and Cristin del Ard remained in England until 1301-2, when he was conducted to Berwick and probably liberated.

He is named in the roll of 1306, already cited, as among the intended invaders of Scotland, demanding the lands of Laurence de Strathbogie and others. It may be added that Sir Christian del Ard was one of the leaders at Halidon, and probably was killed there.

He had a son, John, who is names in a charter dated between 1315 and 1325.

Here it is to be noted that at the period named in tradition there are three generations, John del Ard, and Christian his son (both connected with Urquhart Castle), and John, Son of Sir Christian, of whom nothing further is known, by the name of Ard, at least. These correspond to the John Forbees of 1306, the Sir Christian of 1325, and the John Forbes … [son of Christian].

All this may be a mere coincidence, not to be unduly pressed and another origin has been suggested, namely, that the Forbeses may have been connected with the family of De Bois of de Bosco, one of whom was the husband of an heiress, and own a third part of the Byset lands. But the information available is so incomplete that no definate conclusion can as yet be formed upon the subject.

After Sir Christian de Forbes, the next on record is John de Forbes, dominus ejusdem,

Source: THE SCOTS PEERAGE, ed. by Sir James Balfour Paul, Vol IV, Edinburgh, 1906, p. 44-5.

Sir Christian de Forbes who had a charter from King Robert Bruce in 1325. A charter was granted by King Robert Bruce to Sir Christian de Forbes Knight of the third part of the davach of Ardach and of the third part of the davach of Skeeth in the barony of Deskford dated 27th March 1325.

According to Boece, Forbes fell at Duplin in 1332 and the name was again preserved by a posthumous son. Sir Christian is not afterwards mentioned and probably did fall at Duplin, and the absence of the name in official documents issued at the period seems to indicate that few of the family returned from the fatal field.

Source: MEMORIALS OF THE FAMILY OF FORBES OF FORBESFIELD ... by Alexander Forbes, Aberdeen, 1902, p. 2

According to Skene, in his treatise De Verborum Significatione, Duncan Forbois got from King Alexander (but which of the three kings of that name is not mentioned) a charter of the lands and heritage of Forbois in Aberdeenshire, whence the surname. In the reign of King William the Lion, John de Forbes possessed the lands of that name. His son, Fergus de Forbes, had a charter of the same from Alexander, Earl of Buchan, about 1236.

Next of this race are Duncan de Forbes, his son, 1262, and Alexander de Forbes, grandson, governor of Urquhart castle in Moray, which he bravely defended for a long time, in 1304, against Edward I of England; but on its surrender all within the castle were put to the sword, except the wife of the governor, who escaped to Ireland, and was there delivered of a posthumous son.

This son, Sir Alexander de Forbes, the only one of his family remaining, came to Scotland in the reign of Robert the Bruce, and his patrimonial inheritance of Forbes having been bestowed upon others. he obtained a grant of other lands instead. He was killed at the battle of Duplin, in 1332, fighting valiantly on the side of King David, the son of Bruce. From his son, Sir John de Forbes, 1373, all the numerous families in Scotland who bear the name and their offshoots, trace their descent.

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Battle of Dupplin Moor

The Battle of Dupplin Moor was fought between supporters of the infant David II, the son of Robert the Bruce, and rebels supporting the Balliol claim in 1332. It was a significant battle of the Second War of Scottish Independence. ...

The death of Robert I in 1329 left Scotland with a four-year-old king, David II (1329–1371). His right to the throne was far from absolute, and in the early 1330s was challenged by Edward Balliol, son of John Balliol. The rebels were known as "The Disinherited", since they lost their land as a consequence of the Battle of Bannockburn. ...

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