NameLord Alexander FORBES 1st Of Forbes , M
Birth Dateabt 1380
Birth PlaceDruminnor, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Death Date1448
Death PlaceDruminnor, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Occupation1st Lord Of Forbes, Created 12 Jul 1442 ®193
Military ServicePart Of The Scottish Force The Fought With The French Against The English, Battle Of Bauge, 1421
Spouses
Birth Dateabt 1400
Birth PlaceTantallon Castle, East Lothian, Soctland
FatherEarl George DOUGLAS 1st Of Angus , M (~1380-1403)
MotherPrincess Mary STEWART Of Scots , F (~1380-~1458)
Marr DateOct 1423
Marr PlaceAberdeenshire, Scotland
ChildrenJames , M (1424-<1462)
 William , M (~1426-~1500)
 Annabella , F (~1428-)
 Margaret , F (~1430-)
 Marion / Elizabeth , F (~1439->1494)
Unmarried
ChildrenRichard , M (~1420-)
3UNNAMED , F
Unmarried
ChildrenSusanna , F (~1405-)
Notes for Lord Alexander FORBES 1st Of Forbes
He [Sir John] is said to have married Elizabeth or Margaret Kennedy of Dunure,

by whom he had four sons:

1. Sir Alexander
2. Sir William Forbes, ancestor of Lord Pitsligo
3. Sir John Forbes, who obtained the thanedom of Formartin and land of Tolquhoun by marriage with Mariota, daughter and heir of Sir Henry Preston of Formartin, knight, widow of Alexander Chisholm, and was ancestor of the Forbes of Tolquhoun, Foveran, Watertoun, Colloden, and others.
4. Alaster, styled ‘Alaster Cam,’ who married, about 1409, Katharine, the daughter and heiress of Sir Henry Cameron of Brux, by whom he obtained that estate and was ancestor of the Forbes of Brux, now represented by the families of Skellater and Inverernan. On 24 December 1409 he had a charter of the lands of Glencarve and others. He died about 1466,

Sir John Forbes is also said to have had three natural sons:

1. Duncan, ancestor of the family of Auchintoul.
2. Malcolm, ancestory of Culquhary and others.
3. John, a man of violence, who, it is said, was killed by his brother Sir Alexander by command of the King.

Source: THE SCOTS PEERAGE, ed. by Sir James Balfour Paul, Vol IV, Edinburgh, 1906, pp. 46-47.
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Sir Alexander Forbes acquired most of his possessions subsequently held by his family. He had a charter in his father’s lifetime from Isabel of Douglas, Lady of Mar, of the lands of Edynbanchory and Craglogy, dated 8 November 1402, and confirmed by King Robert III 23 June 1405.

- Sir Alexander first appears as the Laird of Forbes 20 November 1406, when he is witness to a charter by the Duke of Albany.
In the year 1408 he was one of four Scottish chiefs who repaired to England to tourney with English knights.
- On 31 october 1411 he had infeftment from William Fraser of Philorth in the lands of Meikle fintray and others in the barony of Kynedwart.
- On the 24 May 1417 he had a charter from John, Earl of Buchan, of the lands of Fotherbirs in the lordship of Aboyne.
- On 9 June and 14 October 1421 he had letters of safe-conduct by Henry V to England, with a large retinue, to appear before that monarch, and also to visit James I of Scotland, then in Normandy.
- In 1423 he had charter from Alexander, Earl of Mar, of the lands of Alford.
- On 16 October 1423 he had a charter from Murdoch, Duke of Albany, Governor of Scotland, etc., of the lands and barony of Forbes, to him and Elizabeth of Douglas his wife.
- On 4 November 1423 he had an obligation by his brother-in-law, William, Earl of Angus, that he would not sell or alienate any of his lands rents or possessions to the prejudice of his sister [Alexander’s wife, Elspet] or her heirs.
- On the 10 December 1423 he had a charter to himself and his wife of the lands of Meikle Fintry and others from John, Earl of Buchan.
- On the 13 December 1423 and 3 February 1423-4 he had letters of safe-conduct by Henry V to the presence of King James I of Scotland, then in Durham His going, no doubt, was to treat as to the King’s ransom and liberation.
- On 20 August 1425 he had a charter to himself and his wife from William, Earl of Angus, of the lands of Easter Cluny.
- On 20 may 1426 he was bailie of the lands belonging to the Bishop of Moray, and in consideration of his diligence in his Majesty’s affairs, King James I appointed as his [Alexander’s] deputies in that office John of Narne and Richard Wiseman by letter of the above date.
- On 6 Obtober 1430 he had a charter from King James I to him and Elizabeth his wife of the barony of Forbes - with the lands of Kery (Kearn) and others in the earldom of Mar.

On 31 May 1432 Alexander Lindsay, Earl of Crawford, and Sir David Lindsay, his son, agreed with Sir Alexander Forbes that the latter should have the keeping of the Earl’s lands and castle of Strathearn, in the shire of Inverness, during his life, for a yearly rent of £81, of which he was to retain £20 for his fee, and he was also to be the Earl’s depute in the sheriffship of Aberdeen during his lifetime, paying for the office a yearly rent of £10.

On 17th November 1435 he covenanted to aid Sir Robert of Erskine and Sir Thomas, his son, to recover the earldom of Mar and Garioch then in the King’s hands, for which he was to receive from them, within forty days of such recovery, the lordship of Auchindoir, with other subjects.

On 26 June 1436 he granted a charter to the caplain of the parish church of Forbes of 12 merks yearly from the rents of certain lands, for celebrating services for the welfare of the souls of himself and Elizabeth Douglas his wife.

On 12 December of the year last mentioned (1436) he acquired from Andrew of Futhos the lands of futhos (Fiddles) in the parish of Foveran. On 26 June 1439 he had a charter from Robert [Erskine], Earl of Mar, of the half of the lordship Strathdee, in the said earldom.

Under the date 4 July 1440 the first notice of the family residence occurs, when John of Kamloke and William of Ennerkype grant receipt for 151 merks 5 shillings in full of 200 merks ‘that thai suld have had for the makyn of the houss of Drumynour.’

On March 1444 an indenture was made between Sir Alexander Forbes and Robert the Lyle of Duchale, to the effect that when the latter recovered the half of the earldom of Mar, he should give to Forbes his part of the lands and castle of Strathdee and Kyndrocht, in exchange for the lands of cluny and Quhitfield, in Atratherne and Angus. This indenture was confirmed by King James II on 7 January 1447-48.

Between October 1444 and July 1445 Sir Alexander Forbes, knight, was raised to the Peerage, as he is at the first date styled ‘of that ilk,’ and a writ of 1 July 1445 his is styled LORD FORBES. The last reference to this Lord Forbes is on 12 July 1447, when King James II granted a precept in his favour to the Lords of Excequer, remitting to him the arrears and remainder of his accounts.

Alexander, first Lord Forbes, died in 1448;

He married, before 1423, Elizabeth, only daughter of George Douglas, first Earl of Angus, and granddaughter of King Robert III. She survived him. and married, secondly, Sir David Hay of Yester.

They had two sons and three daughters:

1. James, second Lord Forbes
2. William, Provost of the Church of St. Giles, Edinburgh
3. Annabella, married, before 1445, to Patrick, Master of Gray
4. Margaret, married to the Laird of Fyvie.
5. Elizabeth, married to Alexander Irvine of Drum

Another daughter, Susanna, is said to have married Sir William Urquhart of Cromarty.

The first Lord Forbes had also a natural son, Mr. Richard, who became Archdeacon of Ross, and held other offices.

Source: THE SCOTS PEERAGE, ed. by Sir James Balfour Paul, Vol IV, Edinburgh, 1906, pp. 47-50.
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Alexander de Forbes, 1st Lord Forbes
(c. 1380–1448), also feudal baron of Forbes, was a Scottish nobleman.

He was the eldest son of Sir John de Forbes (died 1405), Sheriff of Aberdeen, and Coroner of that shire, by his wife, Margaret, a daughter of Kennedy of Dunure.

Alexander de Forbes fought at the Battle of Harlaw in 1411, and appears among the Scottish forces sent to the assistance of Charles, Dauphin of France, afterwards King Charles VII, and had a share in the victory obtained over the English at Beaugé, in Anjou, on 22 March 1424. But soon after, at the desire of King James I of Scotland, then a prisoner in England, Forbes quit the French service and subsequently obtained three Safe-conducts at different times to visit England, with one hundred persons in his retinue each time, to wait upon his sovereign.

He was created a Lord of Parliament sometime after 1436. The precise date of the peerage creation is not known (although Brown gives 1440), but in a Precept, dated 12 July 1442, he is already styled Lord Forbes.

The first Lord Forbes married Lady Elizabeth (or Mary), only daughter of George Douglas, 1st Earl of Angus, a granddaughter of King Robert II of Scotland, by whom he had two sons and three daughters. He was succeeded by his eldest son:

James Forbes, 2nd Lord Forbes, (d. c.1460).

Source: Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Forbes,_1st_Lord_Forbes
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“This Sr Alexander being made Knight, and eldest son of the bretheren, past wt. the Earle of Marr to the battel of Leidge, in France; and after his home-coming wt. the sd. Earle, through his singular manhood and honorable acts done in yt. journey, was made Lord Forbes, and yr’after married Dam Elspet Douglas, daughter to the Earl Douglas; she bare to him two sons and two daughters:

“the name of the eldest was James, thereafter Lord Forbes:
the name of second was Mr. John Forbes, Provost in Sanct Geill’s Kirk, in Edinburgh
his two daughters, the one married the Laird of Fivie, and
the other one the Laird of Drum, and aired both yr. lands,

“as alse the sd. Lord Alexr.: had one base son before marriage (with one Stewart) named Sr Richard Forbes: had no succession, save some private men about Aberdeen, such as John Forbes: and Mr. Richard had no successione.

Source: GENEALOGY OF THE FAMILY OF FORBES, from the account of Mr. Mathew Lumsden of Tulliekerne, written in 1580, Inverness, Printed at the Journal Office, 1819, p. 10-11.
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Notes for Elspet / Elizabeth (Spouse 1)
Elizabeth Douglas, in Dec. 1408 she was contracted to marry the unnamed son and heir of William de hay, Knt., lord of Locherwort. On 11 Dec 1412 she was dispense to marry William de hay [the younger], of Locherwort, they being related in the 4th degree of concanguinity. This marriage did not take place. Elizabeth subsequently married (1st) before 16 Oct 1423 (date of charter) Alexander de Forbes, Knt., 1st Lord Forbes.

They had two sons,

James, Knt. [2nd Lord Forbes], and
[Master] William [Provost of the College Church of St. Giles, Edinburgh],

and four daughters,

Annabelle (wife of Patrick Gray, Master of Gray),
Margaret (wife of the Laird of Fivie),
Elizabeth (wife of Alexander Irvine, of Drum), and, allegedly
Susanna (said to have married William Urquhart of Cromarty).

By an unknown mistress, Alexander also had an illegitimate son, Richard [Archdeacon of Ross].

In 1423 John Stewart, Earl of Buchan, mandated Patrick de Ogilvy, bailiff of his barony of Kynedward, to give seisin to Alexander de Forbes, Knt., and Elizabeth de Douglas his wife, lands granted to them by him at Mikil Synti, Blakton, and Becorse within the said barony.

Sir Alexande Forbes, 1st of Forbes, died in 1448

His widow, Elizabeth married (2nd) David Hay of Yester, 1st Lord Yester.

Source: MAGNA CARTA ANCESTRY, by Douglas Richardson, ed. by Kimball G. Everingham, Salt Lake City, Utah, p. 576..
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“This Sr Alexander being made Knight, and eldest son of the bretheren, past wt. the Earle of Marr to the battel of Leidge, in France; and after his home-coming wt. the sd. Earle, through his singular manhood and honorable acts done in yt. journey, was made Lord Forbes, and yr’after married Dam Elspet Douglas, daughter to the Earl Douglas; she bare to him two sons and two daughters:

“the name of the eldest was James, thereafter Lord Forbes:
the name of second was Mr. John Forbes, Provost in Sanct Geill’s Kirk, in Edinburgh”
his two daughters, the one married the Laird of Fivie, and
the other one the Laird of Drum, and aired both yr. lands, ...

Source: GENEALOGY OF THE FAMILY OF FORBES, from the account of Mr. Mathew Lumsden of Tulliekerne, written in 1580, Inverness, Printed at the Journal Office, 1819, p. 10-11.
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Elizabeth, who, previous to the year 1423, married Sir Alexander Forbes, afterwards Lord Forbes, and had issue. In 1409 she had been betrothed by her grandmother, Margaret, Countess of Mar and Angus, to a son of Sir William Hay of Lochorwart, but apparently no marriage took place until after the death of Lord Forbes. She then married, as her second husband, Sir David Hay of Yester, afterward Lord Yester, and ancestor of the Marquises of Tweeddal, and also bore issue to him.

Source: THE DOUGLAS BOOK, by William Fraser, C.B., LL.D, Vol. II, Edinburgh 1885, p. 23.
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 Lady Elizabeth Douglas is the daughter of George Douglas, 1st Earl of Angus and Lady Mary Stewart.
She married, firstly, Alexander Forbes, 1st Lord Forbes, son of Sir John Forbes of that Ilk and Elizabeth Kennedy, between 6 October 1423 and 16 October 1423.

Children of Lady Elizabeth Douglas and Alexander Forbes, 1st Lord Forbes

1 Annabella Forbes+
2 James Forbes, 2nd Lord Forbes+ d. bt 20 Sep 1460 - 30 Jul 1462
3 William Forbes
4 Margaret Forbes
5 Elizabeth Forbes+

She married, secondly, Sir David Hay of Lochorwart and Yester, son of Sir William Hay of Lochorwart and Yester and Alice de la Haye, after 1423.
   
Child of Lady Elizabeth Douglas and Sir David Hay of Lochorwart and Yester

1 John Hay, 1st Lord Hay of Yester+ d. bt Sep 1508 - 23 Oct 1508


Citations
1 [S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Families: The Complete Genealogy (London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 228. Hereinafter cited as Britain's Royal Families.
2 [S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume V, page 544. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
3 [S8] BP1999 volume 1, page 1281.
4 [S37] BP2003 volume 3, page 3960.
5 [S37] BP2003. [S37]

Source: thepeerage.com - http://www.thepeerage.com/p10823.htm
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Notes for UNNAMED (Spouse 2)
Alexander, first Lord Forbes, died in 1448; he married, before 1423, Elizabeth, only daughter of George Douglas, first Earl of Angus, and granddaughter of King Robert III. She survived him. and married, secondly, Sir David Hay of Yester.

They had two sons and three daughters:

1. James, second Lord Forbes
2. William, Provost of the Church of St. Giles, Edinburgh
3. Annabella, married, before 1445, to Patrick, Master of Gray
4. Margaret, married to the Laird of Fyvie.
5. Elizabeth, married to Alexander Irvine of Drum

Another daughter, Susanna, is said to have married Sir William Urquhart of Cromarty.

The first Lord Forbes had also a natural son, Mr. Richard, who became Archdeacon of Ross, and held other offices.

Source: THE SCOTS PEERAGE, ed. by Sir James Balfour Paul, Vol IV, Edinburgh, 1906, pp. 47-50.
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Notes for UNNAMED (Spouse 3)
Alexander, first Lord Forbes, died in 1448; he married, before 1423, Elizabeth, only daughter of George Douglas, first Earl of Angus, and granddaughter of King Robert III. She survived him. and married, secondly, Sir David Hay of Yester.

They had two sons and three daughters:

1. James, second Lord Forbes
2. William, Provost of the Church of St. Giles, Edinburgh
3. Annabella, married, before 1445, to Patrick, Master of Gray
4. Margaret, married to the Laird of Fyvie.
5. Elizabeth, married to Alexander Irvine of Drum

Another daughter, Susanna, is said to have married Sir William Urquhart of Cromarty.

The first Lord Forbes had also a natural son, Mr. Richard, who became Archdeacon of Ross, and held other offices.

Source: THE SCOTS PEERAGE, ed. by Sir James Balfour Paul, Vol IV, Edinburgh, 1906, pp. 47-50.
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